but don't block -- >> even jerry brown is saying when it comes to medicaid, he wants a little more power. what you as governor want to have a block grant back to you, and you take control of it instead of washington on medicaid. >> no question. >> that's the question. >> waivers over and over again to do new and creative things slows down the process, there's no question. we were one of the first states to put in a way of handling long-term care for asthmatics, diabetes, et cetera. we had to wait to get a waiver from washington. we should have been able to hit the ground running. >> cms waiver program in tennessee. look what it does. it blocks your legislature from being creative in finding solutions. and what our states, what our governors, are saying is, look, we have the ability to do a better job of finding solutions, in solving these problems on a long-term basis. >> don't you need some sort of baseline or foundation, national standard? so you have to guarantee that the states at least deliver a certain amount -- >> we can still do that. >> and a certain degree of improvisation. >>